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	<title>Comments on: SBL 2009 (3) Missional Hermeneutics</title>
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		<title>By: MJG</title>
		<link>http://www.michaeljgorman.net/2009/08/07/sbl-2009-3-missional-hermeneutics/comment-page-1/#comment-596</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

I have obviously not read it yet, but the subtitle and synopsis make me think I would find the thesis over-stressing the active evangelism/mission theme in Philippians, which is also more or less the conclusion of my good friend &lt;a href="http://www.bookreviews.org/BookDetail.asp?TitleId=7028" rel="nofollow"&gt;Jim Miller at RBL&lt;/a&gt;. From what I can see, Prof. Keown sometimes finds evangelism, or external witness, where internal Christian unity is the focus. This may, however, be a false dichotomy, as I will suggest at SBL, but we have to be careful about reading too much of an explicit evangelistic expectation in these texts.

I know Dickson's book and will be wrestling with it early this fall as I prepare for SBL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>I have obviously not read it yet, but the subtitle and synopsis make me think I would find the thesis over-stressing the active evangelism/mission theme in Philippians, which is also more or less the conclusion of my good friend <a href="http://www.bookreviews.org/BookDetail.asp?TitleId=7028" rel="nofollow">Jim Miller at RBL</a>. From what I can see, Prof. Keown sometimes finds evangelism, or external witness, where internal Christian unity is the focus. This may, however, be a false dichotomy, as I will suggest at SBL, but we have to be careful about reading too much of an explicit evangelistic expectation in these texts.</p>
<p>I know Dickson&#8217;s book and will be wrestling with it early this fall as I prepare for SBL.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to hear your thoughts on Mark's book!  I'm currently wrestling with it, and it's very good.  I'm assuming you're also aware of John Dickson, Mission-Commitment in Ancient Judaism and in the Pauline Communities The shape, extent and background of early Christian  mission (Mohr Siebek, 2003).  I've found this to be an excellent discussion, even though I would part ways with some elements of his central thesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to hear your thoughts on Mark&#8217;s book!  I&#8217;m currently wrestling with it, and it&#8217;s very good.  I&#8217;m assuming you&#8217;re also aware of John Dickson, Mission-Commitment in Ancient Judaism and in the Pauline Communities The shape, extent and background of early Christian  mission (Mohr Siebek, 2003).  I&#8217;ve found this to be an excellent discussion, even though I would part ways with some elements of his central thesis.</p>
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		<title>By: MJG</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Sean. I will get this info out to the other people in the Philippians session and maybe blog about it later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Sean. I will get this info out to the other people in the Philippians session and maybe blog about it later.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings Michael

The refrence for the book is: M. J. Keown, Congregational Evangelism in Philippians: The Centrality of an Appeal for Gospel Proclamation to the Fabric of Philippians (Paternoster Biblical Monographs: Wipf and Stock, 2009).  

Book overview
Did Paul want his congregations to pick up the ministry of evangelism or did he envisage himself and other 'specialist' proclaimers continuing the ministry of the gospel? Dr. Keown begins by outlining the contours of differing responses to this question ranging from exclusively 'specialist' evangelism to believers' full participation in evangelic mission. He then explores the question through exegetical analysis of Philippians. He argues persuasively that one essential element of the rhetorical appeal of the letter is an injunction to the believers in Philippi to continue to preach the gospel with renewed unity and in the face of pagan opposition. He suggests that Paul envisaged 'specialist proclaimers' leading the evangelical mission and equipping 'general believers' to share the gospel as one dimension of living in the world.
 
I'm currently taking a paper on Philippians with Dr. Keown and he is very interested in this discussion.  So we would love to see this material published (my dissertation will be on mission in another letter).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings Michael</p>
<p>The refrence for the book is: M. J. Keown, Congregational Evangelism in Philippians: The Centrality of an Appeal for Gospel Proclamation to the Fabric of Philippians (Paternoster Biblical Monographs: Wipf and Stock, 2009).  </p>
<p>Book overview<br />
Did Paul want his congregations to pick up the ministry of evangelism or did he envisage himself and other &#8217;specialist&#8217; proclaimers continuing the ministry of the gospel? Dr. Keown begins by outlining the contours of differing responses to this question ranging from exclusively &#8217;specialist&#8217; evangelism to believers&#8217; full participation in evangelic mission. He then explores the question through exegetical analysis of Philippians. He argues persuasively that one essential element of the rhetorical appeal of the letter is an injunction to the believers in Philippi to continue to preach the gospel with renewed unity and in the face of pagan opposition. He suggests that Paul envisaged &#8217;specialist proclaimers&#8217; leading the evangelical mission and equipping &#8216;general believers&#8217; to share the gospel as one dimension of living in the world.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently taking a paper on Philippians with Dr. Keown and he is very interested in this discussion.  So we would love to see this material published (my dissertation will be on mission in another letter).</p>
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		<title>By: Theosis and Mission: The Conversation Continues &#171; Cross Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theosis and Mission: The Conversation Continues &#171; Cross Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This [the missional hermeneutics program on Philippians at SBL] looks excellent. I celebrate the rise of missional hermeneutics and I hope it gains a wide [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David W. Congdon</title>
		<link>http://www.michaeljgorman.net/2009/08/07/sbl-2009-3-missional-hermeneutics/comment-page-1/#comment-589</link>
		<dc:creator>David W. Congdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's very helpful, thanks. Let me just state for the record that your book is really an excellent work that I have far more praise for than criticism. Thanks for engaging my questions so thoughtfully and kindly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s very helpful, thanks. Let me just state for the record that your book is really an excellent work that I have far more praise for than criticism. Thanks for engaging my questions so thoughtfully and kindly.</p>
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		<title>By: MJG</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Thanks again for your input. Four quick points:

1. You are correct that the book is primarily about being a disciple, not making disciples. But I would argue that that my focus is primarily what Paul's letters are about, and my task in writing this book is to interpret the theology, etc. found in those letters.

2. The debate is quite vigorous at the moment about whether Paul expected his communities to evangelize (however that is defined); I think he did expect them to do so, and I think they did (this will come out in my SBL paper)--but the word evangelize needs to be carefully defined. In any event, the task of making disciples (in the sense of converts) is not Paul's primary focus in the letters, and therefore not in my book.

3. It is important to note that this book, as the Introduction states quite clearly, is a sequel to my 2001 book "Cruciformity," which is closer to a full-blown Pauline theology. "Inhabiting" in many ways presumes and builds upon "Cruciformity," where lots of topics and texts not covered in "Inhabiting" are treated. Among these is 1 Cor 9:19-23, which figures quite prominently in "Cruciformity." I treat Paul's narrative missional posture and activity in that book, and I also have a discussion of "The Missionary Character of the Colony" (363-66) in my chapter on the church.

4. Having said all that, I will be the first to admit that both I and the majority of Pauline scholars have a LONG way to go in reading Paul's letters missionally. Let's hope that this conversation contributes to that enterprise. I have written elsewhere that "theological interpretation" is insufficient if it does not lead to missional interpretation and thus mission. I very much appreciate your excellent JTI article on Galatians, which I have read on two occasions. It's good to have a systematic theologian working so closely with the text of Paul and pushing all of us in good directions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Thanks again for your input. Four quick points:</p>
<p>1. You are correct that the book is primarily about being a disciple, not making disciples. But I would argue that that my focus is primarily what Paul&#8217;s letters are about, and my task in writing this book is to interpret the theology, etc. found in those letters.</p>
<p>2. The debate is quite vigorous at the moment about whether Paul expected his communities to evangelize (however that is defined); I think he did expect them to do so, and I think they did (this will come out in my SBL paper)&#8211;but the word evangelize needs to be carefully defined. In any event, the task of making disciples (in the sense of converts) is not Paul&#8217;s primary focus in the letters, and therefore not in my book.</p>
<p>3. It is important to note that this book, as the Introduction states quite clearly, is a sequel to my 2001 book &#8220;Cruciformity,&#8221; which is closer to a full-blown Pauline theology. &#8220;Inhabiting&#8221; in many ways presumes and builds upon &#8220;Cruciformity,&#8221; where lots of topics and texts not covered in &#8220;Inhabiting&#8221; are treated. Among these is 1 Cor 9:19-23, which figures quite prominently in &#8220;Cruciformity.&#8221; I treat Paul&#8217;s narrative missional posture and activity in that book, and I also have a discussion of &#8220;The Missionary Character of the Colony&#8221; (363-66) in my chapter on the church.</p>
<p>4. Having said all that, I will be the first to admit that both I and the majority of Pauline scholars have a LONG way to go in reading Paul&#8217;s letters missionally. Let&#8217;s hope that this conversation contributes to that enterprise. I have written elsewhere that &#8220;theological interpretation&#8221; is insufficient if it does not lead to missional interpretation and thus mission. I very much appreciate your excellent JTI article on Galatians, which I have read on two occasions. It&#8217;s good to have a systematic theologian working so closely with the text of Paul and pushing all of us in good directions.</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Congdon</title>
		<link>http://www.michaeljgorman.net/2009/08/07/sbl-2009-3-missional-hermeneutics/comment-page-1/#comment-587</link>
		<dc:creator>David W. Congdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to note one more example: there is no discussion of 1 Cor. 9:19-23 anywhere in the book. You cite v. 19 in reference to Paul's "enslavement" as an example of a Christlikeness (p. 23), but you nowhere connect this self-enslavement to Paul's life of witness to the Gentiles, his pursuit of becoming all things to all people in order to "win" them to Christ, the translation of the gospel to other cultures, and other such missional themes.

This is what I mean by the lack of discipleship, even though you are right that discipleship as such is not missing. The book is all about "being a disciple," but I don't see anything about "making disciples."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to note one more example: there is no discussion of 1 Cor. 9:19-23 anywhere in the book. You cite v. 19 in reference to Paul&#8217;s &#8220;enslavement&#8221; as an example of a Christlikeness (p. 23), but you nowhere connect this self-enslavement to Paul&#8217;s life of witness to the Gentiles, his pursuit of becoming all things to all people in order to &#8220;win&#8221; them to Christ, the translation of the gospel to other cultures, and other such missional themes.</p>
<p>This is what I mean by the lack of discipleship, even though you are right that discipleship as such is not missing. The book is all about &#8220;being a disciple,&#8221; but I don&#8217;t see anything about &#8220;making disciples.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MJG</title>
		<link>http://www.michaeljgorman.net/2009/08/07/sbl-2009-3-missional-hermeneutics/comment-page-1/#comment-586</link>
		<dc:creator>MJG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Thanks for the ongoing critique. I think, however, that mission is implicit in your quote from p. 93, though it could have, and indeed should have, been more explicit. I cannot avoid the "contemplative" character of a text like 2 Cor 3, although for Paul and his communities this contemplation is embodied in cruciform personal and communal public existence. I am afraid that perhaps you go too far in neglecting the aspects of Paul's thought and experience that might be called mystical (e.g. revelations and visits to heaven) and doxological (hymns, worship). These are for Paul foundational to and formative of the practices in the world that you term "faithful obedience." Paul sees Jesus as the true glory of the true God and worships him as such, inviting others to do the same and then (using your words) actualizing that reality and its inseparable narrative in the world. To use contemporary terms, there is a difference between contemplation/worship and action (vertical and horizontal) though they are inseparable; this is spiritually and doxologically based witness/mission.

My mistake on 93 was to stop at Phil 2:13 instead of going on to the following verses that imply a mission in the world (though the tone of my sentences suggests that). I certainly also could have/should have been more explicit about the church's task of proclamation, but to say that the call to discipleship, and the content of discipleship, are missing from this book is a puzzle to me.

I hope that my SBL paper on Phil 2 will make more explicit what was sometimes only implicit (not missing) in the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Thanks for the ongoing critique. I think, however, that mission is implicit in your quote from p. 93, though it could have, and indeed should have, been more explicit. I cannot avoid the &#8220;contemplative&#8221; character of a text like 2 Cor 3, although for Paul and his communities this contemplation is embodied in cruciform personal and communal public existence. I am afraid that perhaps you go too far in neglecting the aspects of Paul&#8217;s thought and experience that might be called mystical (e.g. revelations and visits to heaven) and doxological (hymns, worship). These are for Paul foundational to and formative of the practices in the world that you term &#8220;faithful obedience.&#8221; Paul sees Jesus as the true glory of the true God and worships him as such, inviting others to do the same and then (using your words) actualizing that reality and its inseparable narrative in the world. To use contemporary terms, there is a difference between contemplation/worship and action (vertical and horizontal) though they are inseparable; this is spiritually and doxologically based witness/mission.</p>
<p>My mistake on 93 was to stop at Phil 2:13 instead of going on to the following verses that imply a mission in the world (though the tone of my sentences suggests that). I certainly also could have/should have been more explicit about the church&#8217;s task of proclamation, but to say that the call to discipleship, and the content of discipleship, are missing from this book is a puzzle to me.</p>
<p>I hope that my SBL paper on Phil 2 will make more explicit what was sometimes only implicit (not missing) in the book.</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Congdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W. Congdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of my critiques of your book can all be found in some form on p. 93, and I'd like to quote one section that demonstrates the conspicuous lack of mission:

"For Paul theosis takes place in the person and especially the community that is in Christ and within whom/within which Christ resides, as his Spirit molds and shapes the individual and community into the cruciform image of Christ. But this process of transformation takes some human cooperation, including especially contemplation of the exalted crucified One (2 Cor. 3:18). For Paul, this is not merely a form of ancient, perhaps vacuous, mysticism, but a sustained reflection on, and identification with, the narrative pattern of Christ crucified and of its paradoxical power to bring life out of death (2 Cor. 4:7-12), all enabled by God himself at work in the individual and community (Phil. 2:12-13). This sustained reflection and identification begin in the public act of faith and baptism and continue throughout one's life in Christ ..."

Setting aside the issue of cooperation which raises problems regarding the relation between divine and human agency, the biggest concern for me is how you define the process of transformation. The words you use are "contemplation of," "reflection on," and "identification with." While I know you want to define these acts in terms of our active life in the world, what is implied here is that we are transformed first through an inner process of contemplation and reflection which then (and only then) plays itself out in a life of obedience and love in the world. There is an implicit separation here between our vertical participation and our horizontal obedience, despite your rejection of this separation. The fact that you even have to say that this isn't "merely" mysticism is telling. Furthermore, the lack of mission is all too apparent.

I think you should have dropped the language of cooperation (without heavy qualification), and then replaced the language of contemplation with something like: our identification with the crucified Christ is actualized in our active witness and correspondence to his life of faithful obedience to the Father through the Spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of my critiques of your book can all be found in some form on p. 93, and I&#8217;d like to quote one section that demonstrates the conspicuous lack of mission:</p>
<p>&#8220;For Paul theosis takes place in the person and especially the community that is in Christ and within whom/within which Christ resides, as his Spirit molds and shapes the individual and community into the cruciform image of Christ. But this process of transformation takes some human cooperation, including especially contemplation of the exalted crucified One (2 Cor. 3:18). For Paul, this is not merely a form of ancient, perhaps vacuous, mysticism, but a sustained reflection on, and identification with, the narrative pattern of Christ crucified and of its paradoxical power to bring life out of death (2 Cor. 4:7-12), all enabled by God himself at work in the individual and community (Phil. 2:12-13). This sustained reflection and identification begin in the public act of faith and baptism and continue throughout one&#8217;s life in Christ &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Setting aside the issue of cooperation which raises problems regarding the relation between divine and human agency, the biggest concern for me is how you define the process of transformation. The words you use are &#8220;contemplation of,&#8221; &#8220;reflection on,&#8221; and &#8220;identification with.&#8221; While I know you want to define these acts in terms of our active life in the world, what is implied here is that we are transformed first through an inner process of contemplation and reflection which then (and only then) plays itself out in a life of obedience and love in the world. There is an implicit separation here between our vertical participation and our horizontal obedience, despite your rejection of this separation. The fact that you even have to say that this isn&#8217;t &#8220;merely&#8221; mysticism is telling. Furthermore, the lack of mission is all too apparent.</p>
<p>I think you should have dropped the language of cooperation (without heavy qualification), and then replaced the language of contemplation with something like: our identification with the crucified Christ is actualized in our active witness and correspondence to his life of faithful obedience to the Father through the Spirit.</p>
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